Several Questions - Appletalk,LDAP,Webmin

[Simeon Johnston]

I'm setting up a Linux server for a school.
It's already installed w/ TSL 2.0 (install went great BTW).

I've just finished setting up a minimal netatalk configuration just for
testing and that is also working great.

I'd like to install Webmin so that the teacher here can administer most
of the stuff without me having to log in all the time (user accounts
and share permissions etc.).
Except Webmin doesn't support 2.0. Unless 2.0 hasn't changed that much
since 1.5 then it SHOULD still work as it's mostly just directory
structure and config placements that would confuse Webmin.
Does anyone have Webmin running successfully on 2.0? I've just looked
through the archives and couldn't find anything on Webmin.

I installed OpenLDAP as well and am hoping to setup a kind of central
authentication server for the lab machines. They will all be running
OS X 10.2 and have LDAP support built in so that shouldn't be a problem
(though probably a lot of configuration).
I've also seen OpenLDAP setup at work (not by me) and it's great
(there's a nice Webmin module for it too).
When it's all finished what I WOULD like to have is each student with
there own login. They can use any machine and get on.
When they login the Mac will automatically mount a shared drive with
all there school related files and leave the actual OS X box pretty
much untouched (i.e. a remote home directory).

Unfortunately the sourceforge netatalk project doesn't have the
greatest documentation. It's pretty much all unfinished.
I haven't dug into the OpenLDAP documentation yet. I'm not that far in
the configuration.

Anyone have experience setting something like this up? OS X specifics
would be great though I also have to make the shares available to
windows machines, but I know that can authenticate to LDAP fairly
easily.

I think I'm just a little confused as to where to go from here.

sim

[Ian Ferguson]

On the webmin front, I've found the best way to get it to work with TSL
2.0 is to select the Generic Linux 2.4 configuration and then just tweak
a couple of the module configs and the directories they point to and
that should be you up and running.

Ian
-----Original Message-----
From: Simeon Johnston [mailto:***@indivisuallearning.com]
Sent: 04 September 2003 04:19
To: Trustix
Subject: Several Questions - Appletalk,LDAP,Webmin


I'm setting up a Linux server for a school.
It's already installed w/ TSL 2.0 (install went great BTW).

I've just finished setting up a minimal netatalk configuration just for
testing and that is also working great.

I'd like to install Webmin so that the teacher here can administer most
of the stuff without me having to log in all the time (user accounts
and share permissions etc.).
Except Webmin doesn't support 2.0. Unless 2.0 hasn't changed that much
since 1.5 then it SHOULD still work as it's mostly just directory
structure and config placements that would confuse Webmin.
Does anyone have Webmin running successfully on 2.0? I've just looked
through the archives and couldn't find anything on Webmin.

I installed OpenLDAP as well and am hoping to setup a kind of central
authentication server for the lab machines. They will all be running
OS X 10.2 and have LDAP support built in so that shouldn't be a problem
(though probably a lot of configuration).
I've also seen OpenLDAP setup at work (not by me) and it's great
(there's a nice Webmin module for it too).
When it's all finished what I WOULD like to have is each student with
there own login. They can use any machine and get on.
When they login the Mac will automatically mount a shared drive with
all there school related files and leave the actual OS X box pretty
much untouched (i.e. a remote home directory).

Unfortunately the sourceforge netatalk project doesn't have the
greatest documentation. It's pretty much all unfinished.
I haven't dug into the OpenLDAP documentation yet. I'm not that far in
the configuration.

Anyone have experience setting something like this up? OS X specifics
would be great though I also have to make the shares available to
windows machines, but I know that can authenticate to LDAP fairly
easily.

I think I'm just a little confused as to where to go from here.

sim

[Christian Haugan Toldnes]

Post by Ian Ferguson
On the webmin front, I've found the best way to get it to work with TSL
2.0 is to select the Generic Linux 2.4 configuration and then just tweak
a couple of the module configs and the directories they point to and
that should be you up and running.

Someone should probably just contribute a webmin package which is
correctly modified. By this I mean a package that has a choice of
"TSL-2.0", not only simple modifications. Hopefully the webmin guys will
accept such a patch into upstream. :)




c

[Goetz Bock]

Post by Simeon Johnston
I installed OpenLDAP as well and am hoping to setup a kind of central
authentication server for the lab machines. They will all be running
OS X 10.2 and have LDAP support built in so that shouldn't be a problem
(though probably a lot of configuration).

Just a side note, if you installed a minimal TSL2.0 and than just added
openLDAP, sasl will bite you. Just install cyrus-sasl-plain and
cyrus-sasl-md5. Than you have to get the rootDN into sasldb, I don't
know yet how to do that. Only spend 2 hours fighting openLDAP and SASL
last night.

Post by Simeon Johnston
[ ... Webmin, openLDAP, appletalk ... for Mac OS X ... ]

Just one note on Mac OS X: it's a FreeBSD. A _real_ Unix, *no more
appletalk* just use NFS (or if you want some more steppy learning
curves, and have a Linux server, try openAFS).

Post by Simeon Johnston
Unfortunately the sourceforge netatalk project doesn't have the
greatest documentation.

netatalks and appletalk are for Mac OS 9 only, just ignore them.

Post by Simeon Johnston
Anyone have experience setting something like this up?

doing it right now (well, not now, but you get the idea): Fully
redundant Linux server instalation, with openLDAP, Samba, and
authenticating Mac OS X and W2k.

But I'm just a one man show, and take my time to first fully understand
what I'm duing, (and even why and how). So don't hold your breath.

Post by Simeon Johnston
OS X specifics would be great though I also have to make the shares
available to windows machines, but I know that can authenticate to
LDAP fairly easily.

I don't know how to do this, but samba seams to be the way ... there
will be samba 3.0 in TSL2.1 so maybe I'll wait till than. As Samba 3.0
seams to have some better LDAP integration.

[Simeon Johnston]

Post by Ian Ferguson
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 4:09 PM
To: Trustix
Subject: Re: Several Questions - Appletalk,LDAP,Webmin
Just a side note, if you installed a minimal TSL2.0 and than
just added openLDAP, sasl will bite you. Just install
cyrus-sasl-plain and cyrus-sasl-md5. Than you have to get the
rootDN into sasldb, I don't know yet how to do that. Only
spend 2 hours fighting openLDAP and SASL last night.

I basically installed everything (not the *INSTALL EVERYTHING* option
either).
I don't know if I got the cyrus packages though.

Post by Ian Ferguson

Post by Simeon Johnston
[ ... Webmin, openLDAP, appletalk ... for Mac OS X ... ]

Just one note on Mac OS X: it's a FreeBSD. A _real_ Unix, *no more
appletalk* just use NFS (or if you want some more steppy
learning curves, and have a Linux server, try openAFS).
netatalks and appletalk are for Mac OS 9 only, just ignore them.

As cool as OpenAFS looks, and it does look pretty sweet, I don't think
it will work. Maybe just for the lab, but the rest of the school will
need an appletalk server and Samba. Most of the teachers are still
running <9 or Windows.

Post by Ian Ferguson

Post by Simeon Johnston
Anyone have experience setting something like this up?

doing it right now (well, not now, but you get the idea): Fully
redundant Linux server installation, with openLDAP, Samba, and
authenticating Mac OS X and W2k.
But I'm just a one man show, and take my time to first fully
understand
what I'm doing, (and even why and how). So don't hold your breath.

Post by Simeon Johnston
OS X specifics would be great though I also have to make the shares
available to windows machines, but I know that can authenticate to
LDAP fairly easily.

I don't know how to do this, but samba seams to be the way ... there
will be samba 3.0 in TSL2.1 so maybe I'll wait till than. As Samba 3.0
seams to have some better LDAP integration.

Unfortunately I can't wait very long to get intimate with the
software(as much as I'd like to). The netatalk server needs to be
running by Monday. It's already running and waiting for me to setup all
the users so that's not a big deal.
Samba can wait for a little while. If 3.0 is that much better I'll
probably just grab it and install it myself.
OpenLDAP can also be added later but I'd like to get it running ASAP if
only to test it properly.

As for Webmin I'll probably just use the generic 2.4 config since I do
most of my configuration via CLI. Webmin is more for the teacher who
will be admining the box when I'm done.

Just a little info on me so you all know where I'm coming from.
I'm not a consultant and the school is not paying me to do this. My
brother is the teacher/head tech guy at the school.
I do IT work all day and admin/work with several Linux servers (as well
as Windows and Mac machines).
Not necessary info, but after reading my post it might seem like I'm
just jerkin' this school around (getting pay'd to install something I
know absolutely nothing about).

Basically I know my way around a Linux box. Just never done this
before.
:-D

Sim

BTW - So far Trustix 2.0 has ROCKED. Nicely done people.